@ChardonnayBloo Also, in episode 4, where Carmen breaks into the prison to save Gray, only to find him evil again, she says "You are not that man anymore, It's never too late to change." I thought that was a very powerful line. She knows Gray has done bad things, but knows how good he can be. Even if Gray had just decided, with Carmen's help that he doesn't have to be that bad person anymore, that he can work on himself, that could have been acceptable.

Dude, you basically written Grey as an antihero, and the scenario is a bit confusing. Why would he do crime on his own after getting his memories back? And I agree the powerful line you mentioned was good. You tried your best with the first scenario, but I prefer the second one you made. In fact, I have one to share. After grey gone rogue from ACME, found by VILE, then reinstate him, Carmen would've real talked him like in the Himalayan episode. Then he were to work with VILE as a double agent of sorts. Now that I think about it, I think I messed up on this scenario.

@ChardonnayBloo It depends on what kind of character you want him to be. I actually just prefer him to be on Carmen's side. That would show and prove her point that even though he's done bad things in the past, it's never too late to change. Honestly, the show made it seem like they would keep him good (He was nice to her in the opera house and helped Carmen in New Zealand). But when I mentioned this to other fans, they said it was too cliche to make Gray good again. I wrote the first scenario trying to keep Gray as an antihero, not a good person, but not evil either. Because he started out as a villain, but obviously has character depth. He cares a lot for Carmen, and has empathy towards others (saving the boy from being hit by a car). After getting his memories back, he seems to say that he was only good because his urge to steal was repressed, and that urge was innate. That's why I included the idea of him just wanting to go off on his own once he got revenge on VILE. I was trying to keep him a morally gray character.

I really like your idea too! If he had thought he was irredeemable but Carmen had a good talk with him like she did in the mountains, he decides to help her, and works as a double agent, spying on VILE, and working on making himself a better person, that would have been great.

Thank you, and your right. For me, its hard to understand the antihero trope.

@ChardonnayBloo Thanks for talking this out with me, it really helps to hear different people's perspectives!

Hi! I know im late to the party, but honestly even I hate that Crackle joined V.I.L.E. Im still not done with the season 4 and I kinda think that Gray's gonna turn traitor to VILE like Carm. Obviously, I think it should be like that

@AttaGirlMia I'd love to hear your thoughts after you finish the season!

Not really. In the first episode he said he figured out he could make more money turning out the lights than keeping them on. He wasn't forced into VILE because of his circumstances. He was well educated and had a great job and a career right in front of him. But he chose the path of evil. It makes sense that he would go back.

@Gemology I know that he was not a good person to start with, he did say that he thought he could make a better living by stealing. My point was that it didn’t make sense for him to go back to the organization that mind wiped him and messed with his head. Even though he’s bad, I can’t imagine why he’d go back to VILE when he knows they could easily turn on / betray him. I thought he might go off on his own as a thief.

@ArtsandCats01 He has protection with VILE. Even if he were to mess up and get mind wiped AGAIN, they'd let him off the hook scott free and let him go to his old job. If he was a rogue thief, with no protection, the police could just lock him up and no one would rescue him from life behind bars. He still craves riches and power once he has his memories back. VILE is still his best chance at achieving that.